Steve Jobs on iTunes: The Unpublished Interview

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So here it is for the first time: My iTunes Music Store interview with Steve Jobs, in its entirety and verbatim.

LAURA LOCKE: "Rip. Mix. Burn." [a tagline from Apple advertising of the time] _has been Apple’s mantra as of late. Why go legit now?_

STEVE JOBS: "Rip. Mix. Burn." was never not legit.

When some folks thought "Rip. Mix. Burn." was an anthem to steal music, it was just because they didn’t know what they were talking about. They obviously didn’t have any kids living at home. This was the 50 year-old-crowd that thought that.

Steve Jobs on iTunes: The Unpublished Interview
We’ve been against stealing music since the beginning. We own a lot of intellectual property. Most of competitors don’t, but we do. We’re not happy when people steal. So, this is not an about face for us, or anything like that. We’ve been consistent from the beginning. “Rip. Mix. Burn.” never meant go steal music—it meant rip, mix, burn—exactly what it said.

LOCKE: Any regrets or remorse about how the tagline “Rip. Mix. Burn.” may have been misinterpreted?

JOBS: No, not really, it certainly got people thinking about Apple and music I guess. It was frustrating at times when people didn’t know what it meant, but everyone under 30 knew what it meant, so that was probably what really counted.

LOCKE: How do you think Apple’s new music service will change the digital music landscape?

JOBS: With the introduction of the new iTunes Music Store we’ve now built the first real complete ecosystem for the digital music age.

We’ve got a way to buy music online legally that’s fantastic—it’s better than any other way to acquire music. We’ve got a way to manage music with the iTunes Jukebox, which is the best in the world. And we’ve got a way to listen to music on the go with the iPod—which is the most popular MP3 player in the world—and the coolest, one of the coolest things in the world. So we’ve really got, from one end to another, a complete solution for digital music. We’re the only people in the world to do this, so we feel great about it.

LOCKE: Do you think you’ll be able to sway the tens of millions who use the unauthorized services?

Steve Jobs on iTunes: The Unpublished Interview
JOBS: Well, I don’t know. We’ll find out. But this is really a far better experience. Not only do the downloads not crap out half way through, and not only is it perfectly encoded— instead of having the last four seconds cut off — but offering previews of every song in the store is just giant, it’s giant. Just click a button and you’re hearing a preview. It’s really cool. And it allows you to explore music in a way that no download service has ever done to date. And the ability to browse—you can’t do that with Kazaa, you can’t do any of this stuff with Kazaa, the experience is so much better than Kazaa, I think a lot of people don’t want to spend 15 minutes downloading a song and getting a less than perfect quality song when they’re all done, and without a preview, finding out it’s the wrong song by the time they’re done.

LOCKE: What about subscription services?

Steve Jobs on iTunes: The Unpublished Interview
JOBS: Well, they’ve failed. They’ve completely failed. Nobody wants to rent their music. They have hardly any subscribers.

LOCKE: Any projected usage stats on iTunes Music Store you can share?

JOBS: You know, we have some internally. But who knows? We have no idea. I’m waiting for some data today, actually. We were swamped earlier, so I heard.

LOCKE: Some detractors like those at say that downloading isn’t the most popular feature on their music service Rhapsody. What’s your response?

JOBS: Well, that’s correct. Downloading sucks on their service. You download a track and you can’t burn it to a CD without paying them more money — you can’t put it on your MP3 player, you can’t put it on multiple computers — it sucks! So of course nobody downloads! You pay extra to download even on top of subscription fees. No wonder they have hardly any download traffic — [they] hardly even have any subscribers.

LOCKE: The Wall Street Journal recently fashioned you as a “digital music impresario,” how do you feel about that?

JOBS: I didn’t know what it meant. Does that mean I run a carnival? What we do at Apple is very simple: we invent stuff. We make the best personal computers in the world, some of the best software, the best portable MP3/music player, and now we make the best online music store in the world. We just make stuff. So I don’t know what impresario means. We make stuff, put it out there, and people use it.

Clearly, we’ve been leading the revolution. The personal computer is changing—it’s changing into this digital hub for a digital lifestyle—so we’ve been leading that change, we’re not followers, we’ve lead that charge. Digital moviemaking, DVD burning, digital photography, and of course, digital music. So we are in the forefront.

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